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Makes me think maybe all majors should be interdisciplinary, or banned altogether.

If I was a management major I’d be pretty pissed right now. A)you’ve decided to put me in a box labeled management major, where everyone is obviously the same B)As part of this mass grouping you’ve decided I lack one of the basic human qualities: curiosity, that I’m unreflective, and that I have no idea what’s going on in the world around me C)I’m somehow lesser than these people called “global studies majors” who possess more of the above.

Sounds to me that you like global studies majors because they think, act, are more like you, and have a world-view more similar to your own. That’s what the prejudice is rooted in because that’s where prejudice is always rooted.

Just another point of view…

b.e. said in September 18th, 2008 at 11:35

First, yes, there should be no majors at a college OR one that the students, themselves, construct.
Second, i don’t see it as simple as you suggest. i said in the post, and have many times on this blog, that it is not about the individuals, rather what education, this college, the major, has done to them. Does management, as a major at this school, ask students to reflect on the subject, on themselves, on the world? In general, no. Does global studies? Yes. And it goes beyond just reflection.
i agree with you that management majors ought to be pissed. But being pissed at me seems rather silly, especially since i do ask those things of management majors, as well. If i was a management major i’d be pissed at a curriculum that does not challenge me. In other words, my problem is with the structures, not the individuals that are just trying to do the best they can within a system.
As far as my prejudice goes, what you say makes sense. i obviously prefer some things (e.g., worldviews, critical thinking) over others. ALL teachers make choices about what they teach and how. But finding the root of my own prejudice, which i am admitting, doesn’t help me. i have no problem being prejudiced against structures that don’t challenge students, that don’t nurture their curiosity and creativity. i hope i addressed your points.

radicalteacher said in September 18th, 2008 at 15:37

I hope you don’t think this is me bashing your post, but I guess I got a little confused by your words. On the one hand, in your last post, you asked: “How much prejudice do i have about business majors, and how does that get in the way of my learning? Their learning?” That sounds like a question that focuses on the students, not the structure of the major.

Then in this post you said things like…”Management majors want to know how to manage, to keep things from changing. To hold it all together.” or “Global studies majors, on the other hand, seem to become global studies majors because of their curiosity. They want to know what is right with the world, what is wrong, learn new languages primarily to learn about other cultures” And finally, “as amazing it is to hang out in a classroom with global studies students…”

It didn’t sound like you were talking about the the major itself, it sounded like you were talking about the students, their choices, their points of view. I guess that’s where I got confused. But in the first part of this post you did say it was not their fault,and that it was the structure of the major itself, I guess that just got lost in the rest of the message.

I should really learn to keep my “mouth” shut. :0)

b.e. said in September 18th, 2008 at 16:44

Well first, i do not see bashing, i see challenges. If you don’t challenge, i don’t know that i need to clarify. Your challenges offer great opportunities. PLEASE don’t keep you mouth shut.

If i was positive, when i first write this, that the prejudice is about the system, it would not be a excruciatingly difficult question. These things arise with a feeling, i am in class and i feel, “these guys don’t get it” or, in this case, a quick question about why i don’t use something like the autobiography in management classes. My feeling is tied to them, the students. Like all feelings, we don’t always understand where they come from until we examine them. That is why i post the questions, to myself, and then go away and think about them. My thinking was in the second post, the next day.

Part of this also is very likely in the way i write. Although i know some people are reading, i don’t usually write for an audience. This is actually something you have challenged me on before and that dialogue is buried back somewhere here. So, although i re-read to see if it makes sense to me, i rarely ask if i think others can understand. That is where you, and anyone else reading, come in if you care enough to offer a challenge or have a question.

Finally, in the quotes you give i WAS talking about the individuals but as they are shaped by their experiences in each major (as my management students are painfully aware, structure influences behavior). Global studies students are required to study abroad, that structural feature alone makes a huge difference. Indeed, in a discussion in management class yesterday the two students who had the keenest insight about the material had both studied abroad.

Again, b.e., thank you for the challenges.

radicalteacher said in September 18th, 2008 at 17:27

Try this in your management class, to give them a chance to reflect in a positive way: ask them to identify their favorite class ever, high school or college. Then ask them to come up with 3 to 5 reasons why it was a favorite.

For extra credit: have them pick one of those reasons that was under their control, and ask how it can be applied to each class currently enrolled in.

Some will get it. Even management majors.


PS – Been a while. Fascinating blog, thanks tom.

AH said in September 18th, 2008 at 21:08

Very interesting, thanks A! Yes, it has been far too long. It’s great to see you show up here, though.

radicalteacher said in September 18th, 2008 at 21:16

I think all people are curious, but few dare to ask the questions to get the answers they deserve. For example, many people get immunized with shots but some don’t know how they actually work and don’t bother to ask.

Ava V. said in September 21st, 2008 at 19:05

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